Family/Spouse: William RAMSEY. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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It is highly likely that this William is the son of Big John. Big John's son William had a wife named Mary who witnessed her husband's sale of land in Newberry, SC in 1807. He is often stated to have the same children as attributed to this William and Mary who lived in Miami Co., Ohio. There is no overlap in timelines if he is the same William who was the probable son of Big John. There is also now much DNA evidence that this line goes through Big John. Three tests through William closely match a test through Big John's son James named in his will and to Wright Coate whom you'll see mentioned below. They were all said to be his sons in Summeral's early Coate research and in Randolph Co., IL books. William bought 100 acres of land in 1785 from John Wright, Jr. that adjoined Big John's land north of Newberry, South Carolina. He is likely to be the William Coats who was listed on the same page as Big John in the 1800 census records for Newberry Co., South Carolina. He and his wife were between the ages of 26 and 45. He had 2 sons under age 11, one between 10 and 16 and 4 daughters under age 11 and 1 from ten to 16 at that time. In 1799, he bought land on Beaverdam, on the waters of the Saluda from Elisha Oneal. He sold part if not all of this land in 1807 to James Brooks. Wright Coate (his brother?) was a witness to this sale. On Nov. 2, 1802, Wright Coats sold him 150 acres that adjoined his first purchase. He appears to have moved to Miami Co., Ohio by about 1807. In 1810, his "adopted" brother John (named as a brother in "The History of Miami County Ohio", p. 462) gives him guardianship of his children including a son named Henry born in 1799. I am calling John adopted, because everyone in his matching DNA group are not related to all of the other Big John Coate sons. According to "Beers History of Miami County" on Newberry Township, William and John were the 2nd and 3rd settlers of the northwest quarter of Section 30, Newberry Twp. along with son-in-law (i.e. Daniel Wright) of William Coats. Beers called it the Upper Piqua region where wars with the Indians meant that Col. John Johnston requested Captain George Buchanan to send a detail of men to protect certain public property and harvest the wheat at the beginning of the war (about 1812). William and John Coats (This could be his brother or son John who came with him to Ohio in "The History of Miami County) settled next to Michael Ingle in Stillwater. Will's son in law, Daniel Wright lived nearby at the corner of what is now Main and Wright St. in Covington, Ohio. According to that same history, they sold this land in 1822 when William and family moved to Indiana. "Pioneer Ancestors of Members of Society of Indiana Pioneers", states that William Coats who settled in Marion Co., Indiana in 1822, was born in South Carolina about 1768 before moving to Ohio and then Indiana. Specifically, "William received a patent in Miami County for the NE 1/4 of Sec. 30, Twp. 8, Range 5E (159.06 acres) on 28 Jan 1811. He and Polly sold part of that land to their son-in-law Daniel Wright 25 Oct. 1813. They sold more to James Dickey on 15 May 1820 and the rest on 20 July 1822 to James Thompson." Their son John had a section of it which he also sold in 1822. "On 16 Nov 1822, William bought 80 acres of land (E 1/2 NW 1/4 Sec. 29) in Marion County, Washington Twp. IN. (See Marion County, Indiana Records by J.E. Darlington). His son Joseph Coats also bought two parcels of land in Washington Township and his son William Coats Jr. bought 80 acres on the same day his father did in the same area." (Quotes are from John H. Coats, Email, 2004) "The History of Randolph Co., IN" says he was born in Paisley, (Scotland) and was the son of Phillip. The book was written in 1882 and would have been the kind of book being published at the time that interviewed family members (living grandchildren of William) to highlight a communities citizens. Errors were often made in these publications as family heresay was involved. In this case, someone probably was hoping that they were descendants of the wealthy Coate Thread company in Paisley, Scotland. Some of these descendants could have been the Coate's that hired a genealogist in the early 1900's to connect them to the Coats thread company family. She/he did not find any proof but in reality also gave a highly questionable genealogy for them known now as "The Old Coates Genealogy" that is riddled with errors. What I do believe is accurate from the history are the names of William and his children, all of whom would have been known by living kin at the time. The children named in this source were John, William, Joseph, Hepsy Wright, Rhoda Wrench, Hetty Harrison and ? Beanblossom. It failed to mention an Elizabeth, Sampson or Henry that I've also seen mentioned in this family. Out of these 3, I personally believe that Elizabeth is also William's child. These children's names can be verified by the following patterns. All of the spouses it mentioned are verified in marriage records for Indiana and Ohio. William moved to Miami Co., Ohio about 1807. (C-1065, 1898) He lived next to his son Joseph in the 1820 census for Miami Co., Ohio. He was listed at over age 45 in this record with one son between the age of 10 and 16 (Henry), plus two females age 16-26 (Hetty and Hepsy) in his household. His son Joseph was age 26 to 45 with two sons under age 10 and a wife age 16-26. (E) His son-in-law, Daniel Wright also lived in Newberry Twp. with a very large family within a few dozen homes of his in this census. Before William died, he and his sons, William and Joseph, purchased land in Marion Co., Indiana records in 1822. His daughter, "Hettie" apparently moved with them and married in that county in 1823. The Randolph Co., Indiana History also stated that family reunions for the family still took place in 1888 in Randolph Co. that included descendants of William's sons, William and Joseph, who had moved elsewhere (Marion and Howard Co., IN), as well as his son John who had moved to Randolph Co., Indiana. William's children are also listed the same way in Willard Heiss's and Mary Helen Pemberton's work. William Coats died by Sept. 1826 in Marion Co., IN without leaving a will. Pages 146-7 of the Inventory and Sale Book A for Marion County, IN give the appraisement and inventory by his administrators/sons, Joseph and William Coats. Buyers at the sale include Joseph Coats, William Coats and William Sr's son-in-law Daniel Wright. Some second hand sources say he died on Jan. 16, 1828 instead. The next question is how is William related to Marmaduke Coate of Newberry, SC? There is the possibility that William is the grandson of William or his brother Henry of Hunterdon Co., NJ and Newberry Co., South Carolina. We believe we know most of the descendants of Henry but have only figured out a couple of William's likely sons and grandchildren so far. By age and place he'd fit into the family through one of these two Coate's also. The supporting evidence for this later possibility is that the current day descendants of William through his son Joseph had the clear family tradition that they were related to Marmaduke Coate of SC who is the son of Henry. Their DNA testing also is within 1 point out of 36 points of a match - the closest match to Marmaduke (b. 1738) so far. What doesn't match thought is William's brother John.. current day descendants of John are not genetically related to William throwing us a curve ball. One likely theory is that William was the son of Big John, but John (William's supposed brother) was simply adopted by Big John.

William married Mary "Polly" JAY before 1785. Mary (daughter of William JAY, Jr. * and Elizabeth LNU) was born on 11 Jan 1777 in Newberry, South Carolina; died on 3 Mar 1822 in Of Miami, OH. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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This Mary is often stated to be the Mary who is the d. of William Jay and Elizabeth Natherson. I've seen dates where their daughter, Mary is born on Jan. 4, 1777 or Jan. 4, 1767. If the later is correct, then it's still possible that she's the one married to William Coate. William and Elizabeth Natherson Jay do have a daughter named Mary as she is in her father's will. (C-949, 1698) Mary is alive in 1807 when she witnessed the sale of her husband's land to James Brooks in Newberry District, South Carolina. She was also received on certificate from the Bush River Monthly Meeting by the Miami M.M. in 1808. She isn't in the 1820 census with her husband, but she is supposedly in deed records in 1820 and 1822 when they sell off their land in Miami Co., Ohio. This does need checked for her signature, since the 1822 date occurred in July and she supposedly died in Mar of 1822.

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YDNA now clearly indicates that Big John is the son of Gentleman John through 3 of Big John's descendants. No other descendants from any other Coats in our group have as much shared DNA and such a high probality that they are father and son. By estimated ages and place, this is likely also. Check out our YDNA group at http://www.ancestrees.com/henrycoatebabt1595ydnagroup.html that indicates they have a 97% chance of being closely related within 8 generations of descendants. That's as lovely a chart as you can get for YDNA probabilities between father and son of this time period for 37 points. At last, we finally know who Big John's father is!This John who is referred to here was a Blacksmith. He starts his will with a declaration, "In the name of God, Amen", which indicates that he personally is not a Quaker. Daughter Rachel is listed in one of the "laying downs" in the Bush River Monthly Meeting. However, when she marries Thomas Wilkinson Furnas in 1792, he was disowned for marrying out of unity (a wife who wasn't a Quaker). Daughter Mary is the only one that appears to have been a Quaker as she was married in the same monthly meeting. (C-1838)His wife, Rachel's family were Quaker and lived in the Wateree MM district of Camden, Kershaw Co., SC from 1764 onward. This area became the Bush River MM area which her parent's family helped establish. It is highly likely that Rachel and her husband married in this region and settled down on Beaverdam Creek. (C-1920, see bio on John C. Wright also.)Big John bought 150 acres on July 4 1769 in Craven Co. on the Saluda River at Beaver Dam Creek. (He probably began this purchase process on May 6, 1766.) His neighbors included Charles Nicks, Isaac Cook (brother-in-law), Thomas Brooks, Calib Gilbert, Peter Hakins and George Heaworth (later). (C-692, 947) He was apparently the only John Coat that lived on this Beaverdam Creek. (There are two other Beaverdam Creeks: Big Beaverdam Creek that flows west and a little north of this and flows into Little River above Mudlick Creek and one that flows into Bush River) C-1552, 1554) This is the same area where many of the children of John Wright Sr. (the father of his wife Rachel) lived. He sold this land in 1787. (C-2075) A deed transcribed by John H. Coate of Michigan in which John purchased four acres from brother-in-law, Isaac Cook follows: (C-1925) "Know all men by these present that I Isaac Cook of Newberry County and State of South Carolina am held and firmly bound unto John Coats of the same place in the R___ sum of twenty pounds Sterling which payment will and truly to be maid I ____ myself and my heirs, executors, administrators and assigns ____ by this ______ sealed with my seal and dated this Eleventh day of February 1788 anno domino one thousand seven hundred and eighty eight. The conditions of the obligation is such that if the above boundin Isaac Cook his heirs Executors Administrators or assigns shall make or cause to be maid unto the (aforesaid) John Coats his heirs or assigns good sufficient lawful title to a certain tract of land containing four acres situated in the county and State aforesaid on the waters of the Beaverdam, a branch of Saluda River _______sixteen(?) perches on Richard Tompsons land and forty perches on the said John Coats' ___ land then the above obligation to be void or else to remain in full force and virtue in ??????? the land. Isaac Cook hath hereunto set his hand and seal the day and year _____ above written" The will was witnessed by a John (Jay) and Mary Coate. John then proceeded to assign the 4 acres to Jesse Coats (Negro), his slave. He gave Jesse his freedom in 1795. (Newberry Co. Deed Book C, p. 499)John Coate's supposed sons mostly settled on land adjacent to their fathers. Big John and Rachel sold land to (son) Wright Coates on Sept. 24, 1795. (C-909) This Big John is listed as B. John or Big John in his land deeds and legal documents as demonstrated by John H. Coate of Michigan. (C-633)In Newberry Ct. records, dated Sep. Term, 1790 it was ordered that Big John Coats be "appointed overseer instead of Tho's Black & command the same hands for the lease & release (of land) from Henry Coats to Robert Gilliam Esq'r proved on a dedimus directed to Burk County in the State of Georgia & ordered to be recorded." (C-1528)In the 1790 census I believe he is the John Coats on page 79 in the Newberry Co., SC census. He had 2 males over 16 (he and son Wright), 2 males under 16 (John (adopted) and James), 4 females (Rachel, his wife, and daughters Rachel, Mary, & Rebecca -adopted) and a slave in his household. The reasons why I think this is him, is because it fits his possible children, he is living off from other Coats in the census and persons surrounding him are some of his father-in-law's children. Big John originally got some of his land from his father-in-law and had neighbors that were some of his wife's siblings. Case in point: Sister-in-law Susannah was married to Isaac Hollingsworth. Isaac is living in that region. Brother-in-law's Thomas Write and Nathan Write are also listed in that same region. Big John had one slave which he freed in 1795, and this John's household has one slave in 1790. In this census, his neighbors include several Gallbreaths' including the John and James Gallbreath who sold parts of the original William's 1766 land purchase. The Gallbreaths sold the land in 1800 and abt. 1804. The land the Gallbreath's sold is located on the north of Bush River, which is not adjacent to where Big John lived. Locating all the places where the Gallbreaths owned land in 1800 would be useful to picture this. Did the Gallbreaths live near Big John in 1790, but also own land about 3 miles east where William's original land was located in 1800?In the 1800 census on pg. 70, he is the John who has one under age 10 (Sampson), one male between ten and 16 (John Jr.), one male between 16 and 26 (James), himself (over 45), 1 female between ten and 16 (Rebecca), one unknown female between 16 and 26 and Rachel his wife (over 45) plus one other free person in the family (his freed slave).According to Summer's Book: "Old John Coate died about 1802-1803, bequeathed estate to widow, Rachel, and children James and Sampson. Wright Coate made his will on Nov. 18, 1808, and died in the same year. He left widow, Mary, and children Frederick, Daniel, and Susan. Exr John Belton O'neall." The fact that he is the only John referred to as "Old" in a list of several John Coates who died in a similar time range....this John's birth date is likely to be before all the others guestimated to be between 1733 and 1748. Note, that his death date turns out to be around 1809 instead. His will is transcribed and provided by John H. Coats as follows:"WILL OF JOHN COATS 31 January 1803Newberry County South CarolinaWill Book 4 pg. 11In the name of God Amen. I John Coats of Newberry District in the State of South Carolina being weak in body but of sound and perfect mind and memory do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following that is to say First I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Rachal all my moveable and personal estate. Second I give and devise my land as follows first I give to my son James that part of my land the north east side of the publick road or the road nearly the line, the Division line to begin at the road on William Coats's line thence along the road to a crook in it thence to continue so as to come nearby a field and include the said field, thence a strait line so as to strike the line near the said publick road, with the appurtenances thereunto belonging to him and his heirs and assigns forever. Secondly I give and devise all the residue of my land where on the house stands the southwest side of said road and division line to my son Sampson and his heirs and assigns forever with the appurtenances thereunto belonging except such privileges as are herby reserved for my wife as follows. I give my wife Rachal privilege or income of my land and houses or buildings that I gave my son Sampson until he comes to be of age and afterwards my said wife shall have privilege of the said house and garden during her natural life and lastly I hereby appoint my said wife Rachal to be my executrix to execute this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this thirty first day of January in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and three.Signed sealed and declaredhisby the above named JohnJohnCoatsCoats to be his last will andmarktestament in the presence of uswho have hereto subscribed ournames as witnesses in the presenceof the testator byIsaac KirkSamuel Cottman?Levi Longshore"You will note that in the will, John only names 2 sons, Sampson and James. Researchers believe that he actually had 4 sons and 2 or 3 daughters for the following reasons. They had a daughter Mary, whose marriage they witnessed in the parent witness position. Grandchildren of Mary's knew that she had a sister Rebecca and a brother John. Rebecca cared for John's children when they moved to Ohio after John's wife had died. Rebecca was also buried next to her sister. John also gives his "brother" William guardianship of his children several years after his wife died. However, DNA evidence show's that John's descendant's DNA is not the same as the others that descend from James, Wright, and William making it likely that John was adopted into the family. Rachel is said to be his daughter because she moved to Ohio with her sister, Mary's family, and their families are buried together. William is thought to be Big John's son because Big John and Rachel witnessed William's purchase of land from his likely brother, Wright Coates, as a young man. William's land is also mentioned in Big John's will as existing next to land he bequeaths to one of his sons. William's descendants do have DNA that is only different by 1 point out of 37 to Marmaduke Coate's DNA grouping. Wright is listed as the brother of James in an equity record for South Carolina verifying that he is a son of Big John and this is also supported by DNA evidence. All of these children are accounted for in the 1790 and 1800 census records for this family.

Big married Rachel WRIGHT before 1768. Rachel (daughter of John C. WRIGHT, * and Rachel WELLS, Minister) was born on 10 Nov 1747 in , Prince George, MD, USA; died on 2 Sep 1790 in , , SC, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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At least one source says she married first to a John Hollingsworth, but this is thought to be a mix-up that comes from misinformation in Summers book.

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He and his elder siblings were not mentioned in his father's will. (C-168b) One of his wives is occasionally listed as Mary Cothran, but this is likely a mix-up with his brother Joseph who was married to a Mary Cothran/Cochran. William Jay served under Zachary Brooks as a private in the Penn. Regiment of artillery, Continental Line, during the Revolutionary War (C-170, 1328). This information is again verified in the DAR lineage Book, Vol. 128, p.92 (c1916). However, this later source differs in a few instances. It states that William Jay was born in 1746 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and died in 1812 in Newberry Co., South Carolina. This birth date and place could be correct but the death date does not fit with William's will administered 28th Feb. 1797 in Newberry Co., South Carolina. Vickie Leimback listed that William II was born in 1744 in Chester Co., Pennsylvania (C-611)

William Jay received part of the moveable goods from George Cox's will dated 21 Dec. 1789 in Newberry, South Carolina. (C-461) In the 1790 96th District, Newberry, SC Census, William is listed with the following household members: 2-6-3, 0-0. (C-974) That probably means that his children before Charlotte were married and living on their own at that time. A William, Jr.(probably this William) was disowned by the Quakers on 6/26/1790. The reason was not given. (C-457, p.104) A William Jay along with Thomas Wright and others took an inventory of the estate of James Cox of Newberry Co., decd., dated 16 July 1794. A William Jay along with probable son William Jay, Jacob Balinger, Daniel Clary, John Allison, John Wright, Jesse Palmer and Wright Coate prepared notes on the account of the estate of William Gilliam decd. in 1795/96 in Newberry, South Carolina. (C-461)

In his will dated Jan. 7, 1797, he listed all of his adult children by his first wife, and only one child by his second wife Margaret, who was Susana. He specifically makes bequeaths to his "beloved daughters and sons namely Mary, Sarah, William, David, James, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Layton, Ann, Deboror (and) ... Susana one shilling sterling. The rest, John, Charles, Tabitha and Isaac seemed to be lumped in as the children of Margaret. They are not named. She is simply given the rest of the money to "rase her children". Joseph Reagin, John and Benjamin Coppock were witnesses. The executors were John Jay and David Jay, Sen. (C-832, 867) His elder children received more than their one shilling sterling, however, as per court record filed in August 1797.

"The State of South Carolina Ninety Six District--I ...Jas Mayson one of the Judges of Newberry County do hereby certify unto all whome it may Concern that Margaret Jay the widow of the within Named William Jay Des. did this day appear before me and upon being privatly and serparetly Examined by me did declare that She do freely volunterily and without any Compulsion dred or feare of any person or persons whomsoever renouce release and forever relinquish unto the within named William Jay his heirs and assigns all her Intrust and Estate and also all her rite and clame of dower of in or to all and Singualer the promises within menchened and released Given under my hand and seal this fist day of August--1797 Jas. Mayson J.N.Co (Judge Newberry County)". (C-833, 2109) The sale of his estate had many asundry items sold often to his brothers, possible sons, son-in-laws, etc. It was certified by George Arnold, James Mills, and Isaac Hollingsworth. (C-837)

William married Elizabeth LNU est 1760 in , Tioga, Pennsylvania, USA. Elizabeth was born on 14 Oct 1742 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia, USA; died on 4 Mar 1777 in Edgefield, Newberry Co., South Carolina, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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I will be using DNA to prove or disprove Elisabeth's surname as there are many reasons to believe it is incorrect.

Some lineages give Elizabeth's surname as Layton. There is no proof as yet for this. The surname might have come from a guess because William Jay had a son named Layton. An Indiana branch of the family believed her surname was Natherson. However, if it's correct that William's 2nd wife was Mary Cochran, Layton was not the son of Elizabeth and that further dispells the myth that Elizabeth's surname was Layton. (C-685, 949, 2109)

As for Natherson, that also is a misrepresentation according to the Jay Family Association: "Many family history enthusiasts reference the Natherson surname when making postings discussing the family of William Jay Jr. and his first wife Elizabeth. They state that Elizabeth's maiden surname was Natherson. There have even been rumors of a "Natherson Bible". After much research the Board of the Jay Family Association has concluded this is likely a dubious reference for the following reasons:1. The Natherson surname does not exist on any US census records prior to 1870. Those appearing in that census list Prussia as a family birth origin.2. The Natherson surname does not exist and is not present in any Orange, Frederick or Fairfax Co. VA records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1734-1751.3. The Natherson surname does not exist and is not present in any Orange, Caswell or Person Co. NC records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1751-1774.4. The Natherson surname does not exist or is not present in any Newberry, Edgefield or Abbeville SC records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1774-1818.5. The Natherson surname does not exist on any colonial records indexed on Ancestry.com.6. ALL other "allied" family surnames connected to the Jay family. Pugh, Wright, Elleman, Anderson, Coppock, Coate, Satterfield, Morrow, Reagin, Patty, Mills, etc proliferate the deed, court, marriage, probate, Quaker and other records in ALL of the above locations. There is an Anderson Family Bible in existence which has been transcribed and notarized. A transcription is in the possession of the Jay Family Association. Perhaps the Natherson surname was a reader's corruption of the Anderson or some other surname and the confusion began at that point. However, until visual documentary evidence of the "Natherson" surname is presented, the Jay Family Association does not accept it as connected to the Jay family and do not believe the Natherson surname existed in the US prior to 1860. Vince King Immediate Past-President Jay Family Association www.jayfamily.org"

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This Coate's group's lineage is proven back to Henry Coate "The Elder" b. abt 1595 who was the son of Marmaduke and Marie Somner Coate of Bridgeport and Curry Rivel England via a YDNA match to a cousin in Australia. We know from our Coats YDNA group that Gentleman John is absolutely a descendant from Samuel and Mary Saunder's Coate so the theory that his father is William is still reasonable. William was after all the only other son of Samuel and Mary Saunders Coate that ended up in South Carolina near the town of Newberry. We also know that his brother, Henry's sons as recorded in Quaker records do not account for any of William's sons.

What we also know through a detailed YDNA analysis, is that his son John is Big John Coats!!!!! This evidence comes from comparing the YDNA of a descendant of Gentleman John with 4 descendants of Big John. The results show Big John is related at the 8 generation point to Gentleman John at the 97% range. Also these sets of descendants have way more YDNA in common than with anyone else in the Coats group confirming by age, place and YDNA that Big John is the son of Gentleman John. Multiple autosomal triangulations with another descendant of Big John via his son John M. also converge on this exact same deduction.

We now have good YDNA evidence that Gentleman John is the probable brother to Thomas who died in the Newberry area of SC in 1800.

We also now have an indication via autosomal DNA triangulations with Dubois descendants that this Gentleman John who died on May 6, 1803 is related to the Rachel Dubois Coate of Northern Liberties, Philadelphia, PA and to her grandfaher, Louis Dubois. What that indicates is that Gentleman John's wife or Mother was a Dubois descended from Louis Dubois! We know it can be narrowed to these 2 females as they are the only unknown females back in the distance where autosomal dna is indicating a common Dubois ancestor to Gentleman John.

What we also know about John is that he has the title Gentleman in some of the late public documents in the Carolinas. He was probably born between 1730 and 1740. He might possibly be the John Coate who along with wife Mary, moved from Chesterfield M.M. to Kingwood M.M., N.J. on 13,1,1763 and then returned to Chesterfield M.M. on 11,12,1766. (C-46) Here is what Summers book says about him: "John Coats died about 1803, his will being dated May 25, 1799. He left widow, Mary, and children Samuel, John, William, James, Mary Pemberton, Katy Casselle, and Rebecca."

We know that John Coate owned land on Mathias Branch on Bush Creek from his will. Kathleen Woodrow believes that Mathias Branch is a creek that runs closely into the junction of Reedy Creek and Big Beaverdam Creek before it flows into Bush River a mile north of the town of Newberry. However, it should be noted that no deed has been found for his purchase of land. A 400 acre tract purchased in 1772 is attributed to him, but it's location has been determined to be multiple miles northwest of the town of Newberry, with neighbors that don't connect to any of the neighbors of his in a 1773 plat map or in his will of 1803. A plat map survey done for Christian Kinslar in Mar. of 1773 on Bush River shows that John Coate (his son) was adjoining his land. Other neighbors included Jacob Pemberton, John Furnas, Samuel Kelly, and Jacob Chandler (all families mentioned as adjoining land he was giving to his sons in his will). Some of these are the same persons living next to William Coats when he purchased land in Craven Co., SC in 1767. He therefore, might be the John Coats who purchased 150 acres of land on June 6, 1769 in Craven Co., South Carolina. It's possible boundary changes in the county lines could mean this land was later in Newberry, SC. That needs to be checked. (C-2306)

He was the John that was connected as furnishing sundries and supplies during the Revolutionary War in DAR records. This was revoked as lacking evidence at some point. Here is the DAR index that was listed for Gentleman John in the past. COATS , John, Birth SC Circa 1740, Rank PS (Public Service), Service SC, Death SC 3 , Jun 1803, Patriot Pensioned No, Widow Pensioned No, Children Pensioned No, Heirs Pensioned No, Spouse (1) Mary X (C-614c, 1889, EL-Coate). He apparently was delisted as a Revolutionary War supporter in about 1998 because no one could prove for sure that he was the John Coate who was a Revolutionary War soldier. These reimbursement papers from 1781-1783 indicate he did blacksmithing. These papers, therefore, likely to belong to Big John or Little John Coats as they were the only known blacksmiths in the Coate family at that time. He or his son John is probably the John who was disowned by the Quaker church at the Oct 28, 1780 Bush River MM, South Carolina. His family isn't even included in Medlin's [UL:Quaker Families:UL]. It should be noted however, that the William who is connected as John's son, signs his own will like a Quaker would have.

At least some of his grandchildren married into the Baptist faith and are buried in Bush River Baptist Cemetery. One of his great grand-daughters married into the Baptist faith, Nancy, d. of Samuel's daughter, Charlotte Steadman, also. (C-1896, 1927)In the 1790 census (p. 57), I now believe him to be the John Cotes living next to Samuel Kelly. If so, he had 3 males over 16 and 3 females in the household. This would account for he and his wife, their son James and youngest daughter, Rebecka. I'm guessing that one of his married children and spouse are also still living on his farm at that time. If this is him, he is living next to Samuel Kelly, Sr. and near his son John who looked to be newly married with a wife. They would have also lived within 40 homes of Marmaduke and Little John Coates family.

I have determined that this census applies to him for the following reasons. His neighbors in the 1790 census records match his neighbors in the following land transactions. He is listed as a neighbor along with James Dobbins on Matthias Branch of Bush River in Aug of 1770. (James Dobbins is also on page 56.) His daughter Mary is married to George Pemberton on page 57 also. When he witnesses Joseiah Pemberton's purchase of land on Dec 5, 1771 on Mathews Creek on Bush River, his neighbors are Robert Evans, and John Brooks. Pembertons and Brooks lived somewhat near as they are on page 57 and 56. (see below) When he deeds 3 of his sons property in 1803 before his death, the properties bounded on lands owned by Samuel Compton (Kampton), Rebekah Evans, Welk Furnas and Samuel Kelly. All the persons mentioned in these records are neighbors or have the same surnames of persons living near him in the 1790 census. One of these deed records is listed below. (C-559, 1549, 2232) p. 247 Book Z-3, pp. 271-275, 5 or 6 Dec. 1771, James Walker Moore (his mark), blacksmith, Haverilla (her mark) his wife, to Joseiah Pemberton, planter, both of Berkeley Co., for 400 pounds currency, 250 a. on Mathews Creek, a branch of Bush River, bounding NW, NE on Robert Evans; NE on John Brooks; other sides on vacant land; granted Moore 24 Aug 1720 by Lt. Gov. William Bull (Sec. Book F.F.F., p. 131). Witnesses: John Thomas, John Coate, James Daugherty. Before Thomas Wadlington, J.P. Recorded 10 Nov. 1772 by Henry Rugeley, Register. In the 1800 census, Gentleman John and his wife are empty nesters, living as a couple with no other children in their household.

John Coate's wife's surname is still unknown. Parks suggested that it might be Mary McQueston from a 1769 marriage record in North Carolina. However, this entire family named John Coots and Mary McQuiston, stayed and raised children in NC and Tennesee in Presbyterian Church records, so that theory has been proven to be incorrect. (C-1898) Another theory is that she is Mary Watson based upon a deed record dated Jun 7, 1774. Though it is possible he married a Mary Watson, I see no certain connection because we've figured out who each of the persons in that deed are. A James Coate died in 1794 in GA, leaving heirs that included his wife Mary, his son John (who had moved to Newberry, SC) and multiple daughters who all married Watsons, sons of Thomas Watson, Sr. (C-1521)

His will written May 25, 1799 is transcribed as follows: In the Name of God Amen (This verifies that he is not a Quaker at his death as it is a form of oath taking) ---- I John Coate of the County of Newberry and State of South Carolina being in my perfect mind memory and Understanding and Calling to mind the Mortality of my body and Knowing that it is appointed for Man Once to die, do Make and Ordain this my last Will and Testament (VIZ). I give and bequeath unto my beloved Wife Mary Coats all my Household Kitchen furniture of what every kind there May be during her natural life and at her death to be Disposed off as she may think proper, for her Support and Maintainace - Item. I give and bequeth unto my son Samuel Coats One Shillng Sterling and no more to him his heirs forever ---- Item. I give and bequeth unto my Son John Coats One Tract of land lying on waters of Bush River Joining lands of William Comptons, and running on Samuel Comptons, Rebekah Evans's and Isaiah Pemberton's lines to the Corner from thence across to Chandlers line it being a part of a Tract of Three Hundred Ac of land to him his heirs and assigns forever. ---Item I give and bequeath unto my son William Coats a plantation or Tract of land Joining lands of Samuel Kelley beginning at Mathiases Creek from thence running upon Chandlers line from thence up the line to where it intersects the line to be run between my sons John Coats and William Coats, being a part of aforeseaid Tract of Three Hundred Acres, with my Waggon and all my working and farming Utensils to him his heirs & Assigns forever --- Item I give and bequeath unto my son James Coats one other plantation or Tract of land lying on the East Side of Mathhieses Creek beginning on Isaiah Pembertons line and running to Wilk Furnaises line from thence on Isaiah Pembertons line down to Matthew's Creek thence up the said Creek to the beginning to him his heirs and assigns forever --- Item I give and bequeath unto my three Daughters Namely Mary Pemberton Caty Cassels and Rebekah Coats One Shilling Sterling and no more. and lastly I Do hereby Nominate appoint my Sons James Coats, John Coats and William Coats my Executors to this My last Will & Testatment Ratifying and Confirming this and no other to be my last Will and Testament and Revoking all other wills by me made In Witness whereof I have hereunto Set my hand and Seal this 25th, Day of May 1799 --- Signed Sealed published pronounce and Declared to be the last Will and Testament of the said John Coate in the presence of Edward Thweatt Geo. Powel - Fred. Nance John Coate (Seal) Recorded in Will Book "D" Page 57. Proved June 6th, 1803. Test. Samuel Lindsey, O.N.D. (Recording Date Not Available). Box No. 26- Pkg No 55-- Est No. 613. (C-266, 336, 614b, 633, 692, 1954, 2121)He died on May 6, 1803. (C-692) His children were not listed as minors at the writing of his will in 1799. Two of his daughters were married by that point. (C-879, 886)

All the children's birth dates I have estimated from information in the will, from information on his possible son Samuel's daughter, Nancy, and from census records. Note that as the son of William, he would have named one son after his father and one daughter after his step-sister Katherine.

An interesting pattern appears with the land he deeded his sons on his deathbed in 1803. Gentleman John's son William in his will dated 1816, gives land to his family that is described in a way that could match the original William of 1766's land in Newberry Co., South Carolina. It is listed as adjoining "old Golden's" land which was true of William of 1766's land. When he was given land by his father's will dated 1799, the land was described as being next to Samuel Kelly's land. Again, this was another neighbor of the original William. In other words, the William who died ca 1822 could have owned land of his grandfather. We are not sure if he received it from his father John, his possible grandfather William, or one of his brothers, but it certainly sounds like land that the original William owned.

Gentleman married Mary UNKNOWN before 1754. Mary was born before 1735; died after 1799. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

By at least 10 autsomal triangulations with Rachel Dubois of Northern Liberties and her grandfather, Louis Dubois, we know that either this Mary's last name is Dubois or Gentleman John's mother's maiden name is Dubois. I have not been able to currently find a Mary Dubois of the correct age who is unmaried who could account for this Mary to explain the dna triangulations between Dubois and Gentleman John Coate.

Notes:

Much information can be gleaned about this family from a book by Algie I. Newlin entitled CHARITY COOK, A LIBERATED WOMAN, (Friends United Press, 1981). It is a biography of their daughter, Charity Cook, written and researched by a history professor.

Around 1725, he and his family moved to the northern part of Maryland, Prince Georges Co., MD possibly living at Goose Creek MM, Cecil Co., MD first. Rachel's family lived in Prince George's County and they probably met there. John's only wife was Rachel Wells. Some sources list a second wife named Susannah but this has been disproven. The first half of John and Rachel's children were born in Prince George's County Maryland according to Newlin's book: [UL:Charity Cook, A Liberated Woman:UL].

John's family moved from 1733-35 to Frederick Co., VA and became members of the Friends Hopewell Monthly Meeting according to Lewis Wright. (C-588, 610) Possibly the confusion here comes from the changing names of territories. They lived near Monacacy River a few miles south of Frederick which could have been Prince George's Co., Maryland at the time, but is now known as Frederick Co., Maryland. The marriage records of John and Rachel Wells Wright can not be located, and it is thought by some that they were burned with the Hopewell meeting records. Marriage is therefore approximated as 1737, a year before their first child's birth.

Both John and Rachel were appointed overseers of their respective male and female Monthly Meetings in Monocacy in 1745. They were charter members of the Fairfax MM.

Rachel Wells Wright is a very interesting person of her own right. She was a Quaker minister. This involved travel and stamina on her part. She was a very sturdy woman attested by the trials she endured plus the fact that she had three of her children in just a two year period.

What is even more astounding is that during this same two year period, John and Rachel Wright with 7 young children, William through John Jr. moved to the Cane Creek frontier, soon to become Orange County, North Carolina, which was over a distance of 300 miles. They received their letter to go to what was then Carvers Creek MM on 29-5-1749. They were charter members of of Cane Creek Monthly Meeting in Alamance Co., North Carolina when it was established 10m-1751. (C-575) Six more children were born to them in the Cane Creek area. All thirteen are listed in the Cane Creek records.

John and Rachel often lived in new, rather unsecured settlement areas. It appears that they moved near Camden, Kershaw Co., South Carolina in 1761/1762 to the Wateree Meeting in Camden, South Carolina, later to become the Bush River Monthly Meeting area that they helped establish. (C-250) He sought a land patent for land on Beaverdam on Sep 17, 1769 with an addition joining it in 1786. Parts of both of this land he granted to his son in law Big John. Later, Big John and Rachel then sold it to their son, Wright Coate.

According to Lewis Wright, John was a Ship Captain by trade. (C-610, 615) However, in his will, he bequeathed his shoemaking tools. Medlin's "Quaker Families of South Carolina and Georgia also states that John was a shoemaker by trade. He never tended to live on the ocean either, so I'd say the Ship Captain must apply to some other John Wright. (C-265, 866) John was also a member of the first and second Provincial Congress of S.C. (C-588)

At an ederly age, he lived with his daughter, Susannah. He used to walk to and from the Quaker meetings. The family reunion in 1908 recalled that his daughter prevailed on him to take her horse on one occasion. When the meeting was over, he walked home. When he got there she asked him where the horse was and he replied "Dad, me Sue, I forgot her."

According to this same family reunion provided by Julia Henry, it states that he and his wife had seven sons and ten daughters, 4 of whom apparently aren't in the Quaker records. He attended his grand-daughter, Sarah Cook's wedding in 1785.

He wrote his will on 9/17/1789. He named his wife, his deceased son, Joseph and Joseph's son, John; John and his son; Jesse; Nathan and his son William; his son-in-law, Isaac Hollingsworth which he left his shoe-maker tools, cow and calf; Joab Brooks, son of James Brooks; Joseph Cook, his grandson and son of Isaac Cook; William Hollingsworth, grandson and son of Isaac Hollingsworth; son-in-law Isaac Cook and Isaac's daughter Rachel. The witnesses were Isaac Hollingsworth, John Coate and Charity Cook. His Executor was his son Joseph Wright. His will was written in Newberry Co., South Carolina. (C-866, 2082)

His death was about 1790. He was living with his son-in-law, Isaac Hollingsworth's family, in the 1790 census. Before he died, he supposedly gathered all of his descendants which numbered 144 persons at the time. (C-945)

John married Rachel WELLS, Minister about 1737 in Hopewell M.M., Frederick, VA, USA. Rachel (daughter of Joseph WELLS and Rachel MARSH) was born on 3 May 1720 in All Hallows Parish, Anne Arundel, MD, USA; was christened on 12 Jul 1721 in Davidsonville, Anne Arundel, MD, US; died on 23 Dec 1771 in Bush River, Newberry County, South Carolina, USA; was buried in Newberry, Newberry County, South Carolina, United States of America. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

CD-100 says that Rachel's mother is named Rachel. This apparently comes from a Quaker baptismal record dated 12 July 1721 at All Hallow's, listing her father as Joseph Wells and his wife Rachel. In the Southern Friend, V. XVI, 1994, Richard Kelly states that the entry in the All Hallow's book was in error and they simply repeated daughter Rachel's name by accident. He also finds error with the date of birth listed for her in Quaker records as occurring on 3(May)/27/1720. This would have been before Joseph and Margaret were married. (C-575)

The Cane Creek Quaker record states she was the d. of Margaret Swanson and Joseph Wells, but this could be explained by the fact that she had only known Margaret as her mother, and gave her name without being concerned for the genealogy of it. This record was made sometime after 1758 which was 38 years after Rachel's birth. (C-1553, D.J. Rowe)

In any case, Rachel was born while her father, Joseph Wells, was farming land in Anne Arundel Co. belonging to his brother's stepson. The Cane Creek Monthly Meeting record was also in error in stating that she was born in Prince George, Maryland.

Rachel was a fairly well noted frontier Quaker minister before the American Revolution. She became a Quaker when she married. This is significant. Her parents moved into the faith several years after her marriage. She would not have been baptized Quaker and this where the controversy lies in Quaker Records. The Quaker Baptismal record would have been created after she was an adult and is therefore not first hand information. It is entirely possible that her mother was Margaret Swanson instead. She came from radical Puritan and Catholic stock who sought religious freedom in the tolerant Maryland under Lord Baltimore. Several of her ancestors were of armorial families in England. (C-575, p. 35)

Rachel and her husband moved to Orange County, North Carolina from the Monacy Meeting, Prince George Co., Maryland about 1749. They helped found the Cane Creek Meeting in Orange Co., North Carolina. She with Abigail Overton Pike and several others rode on horseback to the Little River Quarterly Meeting in Peruimans in 1751 to seek permission for Cane Creek's Monthly Meeting status. This was granted by them on the sixth month, 31st day of 1751. Cane Creek held their first monthly meeting on the tenth month of 1751 wherein fifteen certificates of removal were submitted. (C-1663)

She was the center of a major controversy in this region during the movement known as the Regulators. She committed the offense of defending her daughter, Charity, against false charges of "carnal knowledge" with Jehu Stuart". She later apologized and this was accepted by her Quaker Meeting until she applied to remove to Fredericksburg, Virginia in 1763. Some of the members doubted the sincerity of her apology and thought her certificate should not be granted. She was then disowned by the church. A principle, outspoken well known liberal Quaker of the time, Hermon Husband, was caught up in the feud defending her. Due to his violent reaction, he was disowned in 1763 and moved north back to Pennsylvania with his family after the decision was appealed to the Quarterly and Yearly Meetings where only his disownment was not reversed in Feb. of 1764. Rachel was granted her removal at the 1764 yearly meeting. (C-575)

The Cane Creek meeting back in North Carolina mentions her kindly at her death 23 12m 1771, aged about 52 years as "a friend of the Ministry, wife of John, one of the first beginners of a meeting at Bush River." (C-646, 966)

Notes:

Here is what we know as of 2022 from YDNA evidence. Our William is NOT related to the following Jay families of America.

Line of Thomas JAY b ca 1779 of Bedford Co. PA
[21] Line of William JAY b 1767 m. Anne King (s/o David JAY/GEE)
[19] Line of Moses JAY of Sussex Co. NJ (also John GEE of Westchester Co. NY)
[22] Line of John F. JAY of PA
[14] Line of the Broome Co. NY JAY family
[] Line of Thomas Jay b 1610, Norfolk, England and Joan Gallup whose descendants include John Jay and Ann Orchard.
[] Chief Justice John Jay

We are related to a Joseph Jay b. abt 1712 of NJ and a John Jay b. abt 1718 of NJ but I have not ascertained how at this point in time. By age, they could all be brothers.

Jay(e)'s are thought to be French Huguenots (Protestants). The name is spelled GEE in Welsh and JAY in English. (C-463, 839) It has been found under all of the additional spellings: de Jouy, Jaie, Jaye, Joy, Joye, Jary, Jvoy, Gay, Guy, Gouy, Ivey, Jany, Jouy, Iaia, and Le Jay. (C-845a,888) It originally was derived from the location of Jouy in Normandy, France. As Huguenots, the Jouys were forced to flee France during the Catholic-Huguenot Wars from 1550 - 1700. Most came to England and spent several generations. Some came directly to America. There are Jouys still in France and England as well as America.

The best information available on the Coat of Arms is that it originated in France holding the motto "Deo duce perseverandun" meaning "With God our leader, we must strive." It includes the picture of the Jaybird sitting on a rock or bush. (C-859)

The ancestry for William Jay is still uncertain. Several theories exist. The first one is from the VESTAL JAY NOTES by Percy Pemberton Brown it states: William Jay's "father, Joseph Jay, had been born in New Jersey, and lived for a time at Borderingtown in that state before moving to Maryland. Joseph's father, John Jay, was a planter of Barbados. He purchased land in Monmouth County, East Jersey from Robert Story in 1671 and William Shakerly in 1672. He visited Rhode Island on business in 1672, met George Fox, founder of the Quaker society, who was then visiting the colonies. Jay went with him on the trip to Md., and later came to N. Jersey. He is mentioned several times in Salem Co (NJ)." (C-175)

George Fox, Quaker founder, lists this John Jay as "a Friend, pretty, rich planter of Barbados...and his large family" in his journal of his settlement of the northeast. (C-816, 849) This first theory is supported and further developed by Bill Timmons and has support in deed and will records. It is also the parentage professed in the "Compendium of American Genealogy". Current research by Vince King and others state that William's DNA is matching Revolutionary War pensioner, Joseph Jay (b. 1753) of New Jersey.

A second theory that is now disproven as to his father has to do with a William married to Sarah Wilder on Dec. 6, 1705 in Alls Hollows Parish in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland. This William lived just south of Harford Co., Maryland and was approximately 100 miles from where our William lived in what was Orange Co., VA, then Frederick Co., Virginia and now Jefferson Co., West Virginia. This William and Sarah being the parents of our William is supported by the naming of our William's first daughter, Sarah. (C-949, 2123, E) Sarah was born much earlier than the other known children of William. She was also not listed as a child of William by Eli Jay when interviewing his father about his Aunts and Uncles. There is, however, a land transaction when our William marries that suggests a familial relationship.

The other theory published about his parentage has absolutely been disproved by DNA evidence taken from both this William Jay's descendants and descendants of Thomas Jay/Joy. It is from Cassius Milton Jay in the Los Angeles SAR "Bulletin" and in the "Jay Family Index." Cassius (1886-1953), a leading figure in his SAR group and his father, Eli Jay (1826-1911), a professor of Mathematics at Earlham College, had devoted their lives as family historians. In one source, though not this source, it stated that he only felt this was a theory as to the parentage of William Jay. (C-800)

Cassius Milton Jay's theory was in "The Bulletin", Nov. 1928, with the following lineage. I'm only repeating it here to acknowledge what is absolutely incorrect about our William Jay(5), b. 1720. Cassius theorized that he was the son of John Jay(4) of Salem Co., NJ and Chester Co., Pennsylvania. This John(4) was the son of John Jay(3) born Sept. 30, 1672 in Boston to John(2) and Mercy Bartlett Jay. NOTE: Mercy Bartlett's parents were Robert Bartlett and Mary Warren, (daughter of Richard Warren of the Mayflower). John Jay(2) is the supposed son of Thomas Joy(1) b. cal. 1610, architect of great renown of whom much is known in various published records. (C-172, C-173, C-174, C-608, C-970) This lineage is absolutely incorrect as per DNA evidence. Let's please purge this information out of our genealogies.

What we do know about William Jay and his wife Mary is that they lived in Virginia, North Carolina and Newberry Co., South Carolina. Our William received a patent of 245 acres on Oct. 3, 1734 in Orange Co., VA. (Now Frederick, VA). William would have been at least 21 years of age at the time. William Vestal also received a patent on that same day in the same region. Birth places given for him include Buckingham Twp, Bucks Co., Pa, and Salem Co., NJ as well as Harford Co. (was Baltimore Co. at the time), MD. His birth year of 1719/1720 is estimated from a South Carolina relatives' letter years after his death that said William had died of an accident in his 53rd year but this has not been supported by any other document. It is also much too late for him to purchase land in 1734 that we are certain he bought from his signature on major documents in his lifetime with a characteristic W. It should be noted that in Virginia, men could purchase land at age 16. This means that he was born before 1719.

He signs the same "W" as his mark on his land purchases in Virginia and his will in what is present day Newberry Co., South Carolina. William Jay sold his 245 acres on Sept. 5, 1748. (C-819, 2330) Here is his deed of sale. William was the grantor in a deed selling land to Thomas Rutherford on Eavits Runn in Shenandoah near Charlestown on Sept. 5, 1748 whereby Thomas Rutherford became the Indentured servant for William Jay for a period of one year from that date. He lived in the Parish of Fairfax at the time. There was no wife listed giving up her dower rights, but that is apparently not unusual in this county's records at the time. Other Jay sons do not have their wives give up their dower rights either in their deed records that are known to be married at the time. (C-1231, 2330)

I transcribed a copy of this deed record below. 1748 Sale of land from William Jay of Fairfax Co., VA to Thomas Rutherford of Frederick Co., Virginia. This Indenture made the fifth day of September in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred Forty Eight Between William Jay of Fairfax County in Virginia of the one part and Thomas Rutherford Gent. of Frederick County in the Colony aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth that the said William Jay for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings current Money of Virginia to Wm Jay in hand paid by the said Thomas Rutherford above and for the Sealing and deliver of these presents the Receipt whereof is hereby Acknowledged and Hath Granted Bargained and; Sold and by these Presents, doth grant Bargain and Sell unto the Said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assignes One Tract of Land lying and; being in the said County Containting One Hundred Acres lying on a Branch of Shannandore River called Eavets Run Beginning at a white Oak in Daniel Burnets Line below the falls of Wats Run and turning thence across the same southley est. One Hundred and thirty Poles by a Red Oak. thence east by South One Hundred and twenty four Poles between a Red and; white Oak thence North by Est. One Hundred thrity Poles crossing Eavets Run, to a Cornerstone and thence West by North One Hundred twenty four Poles to the Beginning and all Houses Buildings OZ:chards, Ways Waters Water=courses Profits Commodities, Herediments and; appurtenances whatsoever to the said premises hereby granted on anypart thereof belonging or in any wise appurtaining and the Reversion and Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents (.....s) and Profits thereof, To Have and to hold the said One Hundrd acres of Land and all and Singular other the premises hreby granted with the appurtencances unto the said Thomas Rutherford his Executors administrators and assigns from the Day before the Date hereof for and during the full Term and Time of One whole Year from thence next Entering fully to complead (Indeed) yielding paying therefore the rent of One Pepper Corn on (Lady??) Day (....) if the same shall be lawfully Demanded; to the Intent and purpose that by Virtue of these presents and of the Statue for Transferring (....s) unto Possession the said Thomas Rutherford may be in Actual Possession of the Premises and be thereby Enabled to accept and take (al.....) and Release of the Reversion and Inheritance thereof to him and his Heirs In Witness whereof the said William Jay hath hereunto set his hand and Seal the Day and year first above written Sealed and Delivered in th presence of Sam. Earl, Thomas Chesteer, Jn Hites William Jay, his mark (....) (....) (....) Court held for Frederick County on Wednesday the 7th day of (....), 1748 William Jay in Open Court acknowledged this his Seale for land Indented to Thomas Rutherford grant and it was on his motion Admitted to Record. (Jest) CCC _____ This Indenture made the sixth day of September In the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and forty eight Between William Jay of the County of Fairfax in the Colony of Virginia of the One part and Thomas Rutherford of the County of Frederick and colony aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth That for 7 in Consideration of the sum of fifty Pounds Current Money of Virginia to the said William Jay in hand paid by the said Thomas Rutherford at or before the sealing and delivery of these presents the Receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge and thereof doth Release acuies and Discharge the said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs Executors and Administrators by these presents He the said William Jay. Hath granted Bargained Sold aliend? Released and; Confirmed and; by these presents Doth grant Bargain Sell Alien Release and confirm unto the said Thomas Rutherford in his Actual Possession now being by Virtue of a Bargain and Sale to him thereof made by the said William Jay for One whole year by Indenture bearing Date the Day next before the Day of the Date of these presents and by force of the Statue for Transferring (...) into Possession. And his Heirs and assigns forever One Certain Tract of land lying and being in the County of Frederick , and Branch of Shannandore River called Eavets Run Containing One Hundred acres more or less Beginning at a white Oak in Daniel Beernets Line below the falls of Eavts Run and Running thence al and of the same South by West . One Hundred and; Thirty Ples by a Red Oak thence East by South One Hundred and Twenty four Poles Between a Red and White Oak thence North by East One Hundred and thirty Poles Crossing Eavets Run to a Cornerstone and thence Wet by North One Hundred and Twenty four Poles to the Beginning and all Houses Buildings Orchards ways Waters Water courses Profits Comadities Hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said premises hereby granted or any part thereof belonging or in any wise appurtaining and the Reversion and Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Issues and profits thereof And also all the Estate Right Title Interest, Property Claim and Demand Whatever of him the said William Jay of in and to the said Premises: And all Deeds (licences?) and; Writing to(.....ing) or in any wise concerning the same, To Have and to hold the said One Hundred Acres of land and all and Singular other the premises hereby Granted and Released and every part and parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtenances unto the said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns forever to the only proper use and behoof of him the said Thomas Rutherford and of his Heirs and; assigns forever and the said William Jay for himself his Heirs Execturos Administrators doth Covenant Promise Grant () and with the ssaid Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns by these presents that the said William Jay now at the time of Selaing and; Delivering of these presents is siesed of a good pure perfect indefeazible Estate of Inheritance in fee simple of and in the premises hereby granted released : and that he hath good Power and; Lawful and absolute authority to Grant Convey the same to the said Thomas Rutherford in manner and form aforesaid And that the said Premises now are and so forwever hereaafter shall remain and befree and clear of and from all former and other Gifts Grants Bargains Sales Dower rigth and; Title of Dower Judgments Executions Titles Troubles charges and Incumbrances Whatsoever made done Comitted or Suffered by the said William Jay or any other Person or Persons whatsoever the quit rents hereafter to grow due and payable to our Sovereign Lord the King his Heirs and (S....s) for in respect of the said (P.....s) only Excepted and forepaiyed. and So (.....) that the said William Jay and his Heirs all and Singular the Premises Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns against him the said William Jay and his Heirs and all and every other Person and Persons Whatsoever shall and will warrant and forever defend by these Presents In Witness whereof the said William Jay hath hereunto fed his hand and seal the Day and Year first above written. Sealed and Delivered in the presence of Sam. Earle, Tho. Chester, Jn (Hile???) William Jay, his mark At a court contained and; held for Frederick County on Wednesday, the 7th day of September 1748 William Jay in Open Court acknowledged this his Release for Land Indented to Thomas Rutherford grant and it was on his motion Admitted to Record (Jest) Wood CCC ___________

One source says that our William was renting 100 acres of land in an unknown location in 1746. This reference probably came from "Abstracts of Wills, Inventories, and Administration Accounts of Frederick Co. Virginia". It lists William Jay under rentals with 100 acres. By 1751, William and his family lived in North Carolina. On Aug. 2, 1755, Cane Creek Meeting House records indicate that William was accepted into membership "by request" (C-862) and that the family moved to Casewell Co., North Carolina. He had apparently converted to the Quaker faith at this point.

On May 6, 1756, William was granted 395 or 495 acres by an Earl of Granville in Orange Co., NC on the northeast side of North Fork of Flat River. He deeded 50 acres to his son-in-law, John Satterfield, and John's brother James, that same day. He apparently deeded land adjoining this property to his son, Joseph Jay on Oct. 3, 1767. It is suspected that this was a wedding gift as Joseph wasn't in his father's will. In fact, here are deeds and further detail that give us information about he and his children.1756, June 8 - William Jay to John Satterfield, 50 acres for five pounds lying on the N E side of the N. Fork of the Flatt River - part of a tract of land formerly granted to Wm. Jay by Deed from Lord Carteret, Earl of Granville; Orange Co. NC Deed Book 1, p. 229 (Land transfer to his son-in-law, John Satterfield, husband of daughter Sarah Jay.)1761, May 12 - William Jay to William Jay, Jr., 115 acres; "Register of Orange County, North Carolina Deeds, 1752-1768, and 1793", transcribed by Eve B. Weeks1765, May 14 - William Jay to James Jay, 120 acres; "Register of Orange County, North Carolina Deeds, 1752-1768, and 1793", transcribed by Eve B. Weeks (He gave this land to his son James at about the time of his marriage.)1767, October 3 - William Jay to Joseph Jay, 239 acres for ten pounds lying on both sides of N. Fork of Flatt River, joining Fords land on the west and James Jays on the East, beginning at a white oak on Hosea Tapleys -- white Oak on sd William Jay Senr - part of tract of land formerly granted to Edward Moore from Lord Earl of Granville, dated the sixth day of February 1761; Orange Co. NC Deed Book 3, p. 445 (He gave this land to his son Joseph at about the time of his marriage also.)These deed records basically verify that these are William's oldest sons as traditionally held by Eli Jay in his writings on the family given to him by his father when he was a young man.

In 1771, William signed the petition to have Caswell Co. set off from Orange County, North Carolina. On Feb. 1, 1772, William and children were granted a certificate to move to South Carolina. His three oldest sons were married by then, William, Joseph and James. William died within the year. Mary remarried shortly thereafter because on Oct. 5, 1772, Mary Vestal Jay wrote an apology for having married out of unity and requested a letter of acceptance for the Bush River MM, SC records. Mary and William's five youngest children joined the Quaker church shortly after their move to Bush River. (C-1017)

The birth of several of their children from John through David are recorded in the Bush River MM records for Newberry, South Carolina. Several of their children appear to have married in Newberry Co., South Carolina. William and Mary Jay are listed as residents of Berkley Co., Dist. 96, South Carolina. (C-457, p.104)

William died shortly after moving to South Carolina from an accident. It occurred shortly before the marriage of his son John to Elizabeth Pugh. He is listed as deceased when his daughter Mary married Charles Patty on Mar. 11, 1773. His will was written on Nov. 23, 1772 and proven on Aug. 31, 1773. In it, he made bequeaths to his wife Mary and children John, David (underage), Mary, Rachel and Lydia. Son John was named Executor. His oldest children were not mentioned as he had already transferred them land. (C-169, 803, 958)

William's descendants DNA is a match to descendants of the following Joseph Jay. This means they have a common ancestor in somewhat close range to each other. We simply don't know who it is. As a Revolutionary War soldier, we know that Joseph was born July 14, 1753 in Burlington Co. NJ. After the war, he lived in Hunterdon Co. NJ and died November 30, 1835 in Falls Township, Bucks Co. PA. His wife was Eleanor Nelson. In the Jay Family Index #4763, his father is listed as Joseph Jay. We do not know the source of this information but there is an adult Joseph Jay living in Burlington County, New Jersey as early as 1739 when he voted and is listed in election returns.

This Joseph or his possible son Joseph likely account for an adult Joseph living in Nottingham Twp., Burlington Co., New Jersey in the 1758-1774 tax records for that territory. Family notes in this index from Joseph's (b. 1753) grandson, Douglass Hiles Jay, son of Nelson, says that it was passed down to him that Joseph's family came from England where they had had an estate. Here is the account of it available at : http://www.entechdesign.com/jaydna/jaydnastatus5.htm. "There are tantalizing notes found in the Jay Family Index concerning Joseph Jay (born 1753) is as follows: Douglas Hiles Jay, son of Nelson Jay [a son of Joseph born 1753] said Joseph Jay (Note - possibly the father of Joseph Jay [and Nelson's grandfather]) was born in England, and [Douglas] remembered a long conversation between Nelson Jay and his brother Smith Jay about an estate belonging to their father Joseph Jay in England, about papers that were lost, and of other papers in the effects of Joseph Jay, then deceased. This was also the remembrance of Mary W. (Jay) Butler, [wife of John W. Butler and daughter of Smith Jay]. The conclusions were that money was too scarce in the family to risk any chances of going to England to hunt it up. Joseph Jay had lent the little he had for the purpose of carrying on the war, and was so great a patriot that he would accept no return, and fearing that his children might do so, destroyed the papers showing the fact, and died a poor man....We are currently trying to 'run-down' the source and the context of this family tradition which did not appear in the original printing of the JFI."

William married Mary Elizabeth VESTAL, * before 1743 in Virginia, Colonial America. Mary (daughter of William VESTAL, Jr. and Elizabeth MERCER) was born in 1723 in , Chester, PA; died in 1818 in New Burlington, Fulton, OH, USA; was buried in 1818 in Burlington, Warren, OH, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Mary Vestal and William Jay married about 1743 in Frederick Co., VA. She likely lost her membership in the Quaker church for marrying out of unity. On 10/5/1772, Mary Vestal Jay sent an acknowledgement of marriage out of meeting to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting. This was a few months before her husband's death. (Some researchers mistakenly claim this is because she married again.) (C-1338) It was accepted and Jesse Pugh was appointed to assist the women in preparing a certificate for her to remove to Bush River. (C-804)

In Virginia, none of the Jays appear to have been Quakers, but shortly before and around the time she was reaccepted, all of her children appear to have become Quakers. She had two children married in the Quaker Meeting in the 3rd month of 1772.

Vickie Leimback and Mike Southerland state that Mary's birth date was about 1723. Mike gives her death date as 1773 in New Burlington, Miami, OH and her full name as Mary Elizabeth Vestal. However, this death date cannot be correct, as Mary Vestal Jay and her daughter Rachel Jay Arnold received a certificate to move to Ohio in 1804. They moved in 1805 probably to Miami Co., Ohio. She died near New Burlington, Ohio between 1818-1820 and is buried in Caesars Creek Quaker Burying Ground.