Notes:

This Mary is often stated to be the Mary who is the d. of William Jay and Elizabeth Natherson. I've seen dates where their daughter, Mary is born on Jan. 4, 1777 or Jan. 4, 1767. If the later is correct, then it's still possible that she's the one married to William Coate. William and Elizabeth Natherson Jay do have a daughter named Mary as she is in her father's will. (C-949, 1698) Mary is alive in 1807 when she witnessed the sale of her husband's land to James Brooks in Newberry District, South Carolina. She was also received on certificate from the Bush River Monthly Meeting by the Miami M.M. in 1808. She isn't in the 1820 census with her husband, but she is supposedly in deed records in 1820 and 1822 when they sell off their land in Miami Co., Ohio. This does need checked for her signature, since the 1822 date occurred in July and she supposedly died in Mar of 1822.

Mary married William COATS before 1785. William (son of Big John COATS and Rachel WRIGHT) was born about 1768; died about Aug 1826 in , Marion, IN, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Elizabeth COATS was born in 1785 in , Newberry, SC, USA; and died.
2. John COATS, Sr. was born on 20 Jan 1788 in Bush River, Newberry County, South Carolina, United States of America; died on 19 Sep 1878 in Union City, Randolph, IN, USA; was buried in White River Cemetery, Winchester, Randolph, Indiana.
3. Rhoda COATS was born on 29 Dec 1789 in Newberry County, South Carolina, United States of America; died on 12 Feb 1877 in Bond County, Illinois, United States of America; was buried in Greenville, Bond County, Illinois, United States of America.
4. Rachel COATS was born in 1790; and died.
5. Joseph COATS was born on 13 Feb 1792 in , , Nc Or Sc, USA; died on 22 Aug 1855 in , Wilson, Kansas, USA.
6. Esther "Hettie" COATS was born in 1794; and died.
7. William COATS was born on 25 Mar 1796 in , , SC, USA; died after 1860 in Of Palmyra, Warren Co., Iowa, USA.
8. Mary COATS was born in 1798 in , Newberry, SC, USA; died after 1860 in Of Twp. 12, Range 7, Macoupin, IL, USA.
9. Hepsibah (Hepsy) COATS was born on 9 Jun 1803 in , , SC, USA; died on 16 Dec 1892 in New London, Howard, IND, USA; was buried in Russianville, Howard, IN, USA.

Notes:

He and his elder siblings were not mentioned in his father's will. (C-168b) One of his wives is occasionally listed as Mary Cothran, but this is likely a mix-up with his brother Joseph who was married to a Mary Cothran/Cochran. William Jay served under Zachary Brooks as a private in the Penn. Regiment of artillery, Continental Line, during the Revolutionary War (C-170, 1328). This information is again verified in the DAR lineage Book, Vol. 128, p.92 (c1916). However, this later source differs in a few instances. It states that William Jay was born in 1746 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and died in 1812 in Newberry Co., South Carolina. This birth date and place could be correct but the death date does not fit with William's will administered 28th Feb. 1797 in Newberry Co., South Carolina. Vickie Leimback listed that William II was born in 1744 in Chester Co., Pennsylvania (C-611)

William Jay received part of the moveable goods from George Cox's will dated 21 Dec. 1789 in Newberry, South Carolina. (C-461) In the 1790 96th District, Newberry, SC Census, William is listed with the following household members: 2-6-3, 0-0. (C-974) That probably means that his children before Charlotte were married and living on their own at that time. A William, Jr.(probably this William) was disowned by the Quakers on 6/26/1790. The reason was not given. (C-457, p.104) A William Jay along with Thomas Wright and others took an inventory of the estate of James Cox of Newberry Co., decd., dated 16 July 1794. A William Jay along with probable son William Jay, Jacob Balinger, Daniel Clary, John Allison, John Wright, Jesse Palmer and Wright Coate prepared notes on the account of the estate of William Gilliam decd. in 1795/96 in Newberry, South Carolina. (C-461)

In his will dated Jan. 7, 1797, he listed all of his adult children by his first wife, and only one child by his second wife Margaret, who was Susana. He specifically makes bequeaths to his "beloved daughters and sons namely Mary, Sarah, William, David, James, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Layton, Ann, Deboror (and) ... Susana one shilling sterling. The rest, John, Charles, Tabitha and Isaac seemed to be lumped in as the children of Margaret. They are not named. She is simply given the rest of the money to "rase her children". Joseph Reagin, John and Benjamin Coppock were witnesses. The executors were John Jay and David Jay, Sen. (C-832, 867) His elder children received more than their one shilling sterling, however, as per court record filed in August 1797.

"The State of South Carolina Ninety Six District--I ...Jas Mayson one of the Judges of Newberry County do hereby certify unto all whome it may Concern that Margaret Jay the widow of the within Named William Jay Des. did this day appear before me and upon being privatly and serparetly Examined by me did declare that She do freely volunterily and without any Compulsion dred or feare of any person or persons whomsoever renouce release and forever relinquish unto the within named William Jay his heirs and assigns all her Intrust and Estate and also all her rite and clame of dower of in or to all and Singualer the promises within menchened and released Given under my hand and seal this fist day of August--1797 Jas. Mayson J.N.Co (Judge Newberry County)". (C-833, 2109) The sale of his estate had many asundry items sold often to his brothers, possible sons, son-in-laws, etc. It was certified by George Arnold, James Mills, and Isaac Hollingsworth. (C-837)

William married Elizabeth LNU est 1760 in , Tioga, Pennsylvania, USA. Elizabeth was born on 14 Oct 1742 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia, USA; died on 4 Mar 1777 in Edgefield, Newberry Co., South Carolina, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

I will be using DNA to prove or disprove Elisabeth's surname as there are many reasons to believe it is incorrect.

Some lineages give Elizabeth's surname as Layton. There is no proof as yet for this. The surname might have come from a guess because William Jay had a son named Layton. An Indiana branch of the family believed her surname was Natherson. However, if it's correct that William's 2nd wife was Mary Cochran, Layton was not the son of Elizabeth and that further dispells the myth that Elizabeth's surname was Layton. (C-685, 949, 2109)

As for Natherson, that also is a misrepresentation according to the Jay Family Association: "Many family history enthusiasts reference the Natherson surname when making postings discussing the family of William Jay Jr. and his first wife Elizabeth. They state that Elizabeth's maiden surname was Natherson. There have even been rumors of a "Natherson Bible". After much research the Board of the Jay Family Association has concluded this is likely a dubious reference for the following reasons:1. The Natherson surname does not exist on any US census records prior to 1870. Those appearing in that census list Prussia as a family birth origin.2. The Natherson surname does not exist and is not present in any Orange, Frederick or Fairfax Co. VA records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1734-1751.3. The Natherson surname does not exist and is not present in any Orange, Caswell or Person Co. NC records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1751-1774.4. The Natherson surname does not exist or is not present in any Newberry, Edgefield or Abbeville SC records of any kind. This was the Jay family residence from roughly 1774-1818.5. The Natherson surname does not exist on any colonial records indexed on Ancestry.com.6. ALL other "allied" family surnames connected to the Jay family. Pugh, Wright, Elleman, Anderson, Coppock, Coate, Satterfield, Morrow, Reagin, Patty, Mills, etc proliferate the deed, court, marriage, probate, Quaker and other records in ALL of the above locations. There is an Anderson Family Bible in existence which has been transcribed and notarized. A transcription is in the possession of the Jay Family Association. Perhaps the Natherson surname was a reader's corruption of the Anderson or some other surname and the confusion began at that point. However, until visual documentary evidence of the "Natherson" surname is presented, the Jay Family Association does not accept it as connected to the Jay family and do not believe the Natherson surname existed in the US prior to 1860. Vince King Immediate Past-President Jay Family Association www.jayfamily.org"

Notes:

Here is what we know as of 2022 from YDNA evidence. Our William is NOT related to the following Jay families of America.

Line of Thomas JAY b ca 1779 of Bedford Co. PA
[21] Line of William JAY b 1767 m. Anne King (s/o David JAY/GEE)
[19] Line of Moses JAY of Sussex Co. NJ (also John GEE of Westchester Co. NY)
[22] Line of John F. JAY of PA
[14] Line of the Broome Co. NY JAY family
[] Line of Thomas Jay b 1610, Norfolk, England and Joan Gallup whose descendants include John Jay and Ann Orchard.
[] Chief Justice John Jay

We are related to a Joseph Jay b. abt 1712 of NJ and a John Jay b. abt 1718 of NJ but I have not ascertained how at this point in time. By age, they could all be brothers.

Jay(e)'s are thought to be French Huguenots (Protestants). The name is spelled GEE in Welsh and JAY in English. (C-463, 839) It has been found under all of the additional spellings: de Jouy, Jaie, Jaye, Joy, Joye, Jary, Jvoy, Gay, Guy, Gouy, Ivey, Jany, Jouy, Iaia, and Le Jay. (C-845a,888) It originally was derived from the location of Jouy in Normandy, France. As Huguenots, the Jouys were forced to flee France during the Catholic-Huguenot Wars from 1550 - 1700. Most came to England and spent several generations. Some came directly to America. There are Jouys still in France and England as well as America.

The best information available on the Coat of Arms is that it originated in France holding the motto "Deo duce perseverandun" meaning "With God our leader, we must strive." It includes the picture of the Jaybird sitting on a rock or bush. (C-859)

The ancestry for William Jay is still uncertain. Several theories exist. The first one is from the VESTAL JAY NOTES by Percy Pemberton Brown it states: William Jay's "father, Joseph Jay, had been born in New Jersey, and lived for a time at Borderingtown in that state before moving to Maryland. Joseph's father, John Jay, was a planter of Barbados. He purchased land in Monmouth County, East Jersey from Robert Story in 1671 and William Shakerly in 1672. He visited Rhode Island on business in 1672, met George Fox, founder of the Quaker society, who was then visiting the colonies. Jay went with him on the trip to Md., and later came to N. Jersey. He is mentioned several times in Salem Co (NJ)." (C-175)

George Fox, Quaker founder, lists this John Jay as "a Friend, pretty, rich planter of Barbados...and his large family" in his journal of his settlement of the northeast. (C-816, 849) This first theory is supported and further developed by Bill Timmons and has support in deed and will records. It is also the parentage professed in the "Compendium of American Genealogy". Current research by Vince King and others state that William's DNA is matching Revolutionary War pensioner, Joseph Jay (b. 1753) of New Jersey.

A second theory that is now disproven as to his father has to do with a William married to Sarah Wilder on Dec. 6, 1705 in Alls Hollows Parish in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland. This William lived just south of Harford Co., Maryland and was approximately 100 miles from where our William lived in what was Orange Co., VA, then Frederick Co., Virginia and now Jefferson Co., West Virginia. This William and Sarah being the parents of our William is supported by the naming of our William's first daughter, Sarah. (C-949, 2123, E) Sarah was born much earlier than the other known children of William. She was also not listed as a child of William by Eli Jay when interviewing his father about his Aunts and Uncles. There is, however, a land transaction when our William marries that suggests a familial relationship.

The other theory published about his parentage has absolutely been disproved by DNA evidence taken from both this William Jay's descendants and descendants of Thomas Jay/Joy. It is from Cassius Milton Jay in the Los Angeles SAR "Bulletin" and in the "Jay Family Index." Cassius (1886-1953), a leading figure in his SAR group and his father, Eli Jay (1826-1911), a professor of Mathematics at Earlham College, had devoted their lives as family historians. In one source, though not this source, it stated that he only felt this was a theory as to the parentage of William Jay. (C-800)

Cassius Milton Jay's theory was in "The Bulletin", Nov. 1928, with the following lineage. I'm only repeating it here to acknowledge what is absolutely incorrect about our William Jay(5), b. 1720. Cassius theorized that he was the son of John Jay(4) of Salem Co., NJ and Chester Co., Pennsylvania. This John(4) was the son of John Jay(3) born Sept. 30, 1672 in Boston to John(2) and Mercy Bartlett Jay. NOTE: Mercy Bartlett's parents were Robert Bartlett and Mary Warren, (daughter of Richard Warren of the Mayflower). John Jay(2) is the supposed son of Thomas Joy(1) b. cal. 1610, architect of great renown of whom much is known in various published records. (C-172, C-173, C-174, C-608, C-970) This lineage is absolutely incorrect as per DNA evidence. Let's please purge this information out of our genealogies.

What we do know about William Jay and his wife Mary is that they lived in Virginia, North Carolina and Newberry Co., South Carolina. Our William received a patent of 245 acres on Oct. 3, 1734 in Orange Co., VA. (Now Frederick, VA). William would have been at least 21 years of age at the time. William Vestal also received a patent on that same day in the same region. Birth places given for him include Buckingham Twp, Bucks Co., Pa, and Salem Co., NJ as well as Harford Co. (was Baltimore Co. at the time), MD. His birth year of 1719/1720 is estimated from a South Carolina relatives' letter years after his death that said William had died of an accident in his 53rd year but this has not been supported by any other document. It is also much too late for him to purchase land in 1734 that we are certain he bought from his signature on major documents in his lifetime with a characteristic W. It should be noted that in Virginia, men could purchase land at age 16. This means that he was born before 1719.

He signs the same "W" as his mark on his land purchases in Virginia and his will in what is present day Newberry Co., South Carolina. William Jay sold his 245 acres on Sept. 5, 1748. (C-819, 2330) Here is his deed of sale. William was the grantor in a deed selling land to Thomas Rutherford on Eavits Runn in Shenandoah near Charlestown on Sept. 5, 1748 whereby Thomas Rutherford became the Indentured servant for William Jay for a period of one year from that date. He lived in the Parish of Fairfax at the time. There was no wife listed giving up her dower rights, but that is apparently not unusual in this county's records at the time. Other Jay sons do not have their wives give up their dower rights either in their deed records that are known to be married at the time. (C-1231, 2330)

I transcribed a copy of this deed record below. 1748 Sale of land from William Jay of Fairfax Co., VA to Thomas Rutherford of Frederick Co., Virginia. This Indenture made the fifth day of September in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred Forty Eight Between William Jay of Fairfax County in Virginia of the one part and Thomas Rutherford Gent. of Frederick County in the Colony aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth that the said William Jay for and in consideration of the sum of five shillings current Money of Virginia to Wm Jay in hand paid by the said Thomas Rutherford above and for the Sealing and deliver of these presents the Receipt whereof is hereby Acknowledged and Hath Granted Bargained and; Sold and by these Presents, doth grant Bargain and Sell unto the Said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assignes One Tract of Land lying and; being in the said County Containting One Hundred Acres lying on a Branch of Shannandore River called Eavets Run Beginning at a white Oak in Daniel Burnets Line below the falls of Wats Run and turning thence across the same southley est. One Hundred and thirty Poles by a Red Oak. thence east by South One Hundred and twenty four Poles between a Red and; white Oak thence North by Est. One Hundred thrity Poles crossing Eavets Run, to a Cornerstone and thence West by North One Hundred twenty four Poles to the Beginning and all Houses Buildings OZ:chards, Ways Waters Water=courses Profits Commodities, Herediments and; appurtenances whatsoever to the said premises hereby granted on anypart thereof belonging or in any wise appurtaining and the Reversion and Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents (.....s) and Profits thereof, To Have and to hold the said One Hundrd acres of Land and all and Singular other the premises hreby granted with the appurtencances unto the said Thomas Rutherford his Executors administrators and assigns from the Day before the Date hereof for and during the full Term and Time of One whole Year from thence next Entering fully to complead (Indeed) yielding paying therefore the rent of One Pepper Corn on (Lady??) Day (....) if the same shall be lawfully Demanded; to the Intent and purpose that by Virtue of these presents and of the Statue for Transferring (....s) unto Possession the said Thomas Rutherford may be in Actual Possession of the Premises and be thereby Enabled to accept and take (al.....) and Release of the Reversion and Inheritance thereof to him and his Heirs In Witness whereof the said William Jay hath hereunto set his hand and Seal the Day and year first above written Sealed and Delivered in th presence of Sam. Earl, Thomas Chesteer, Jn Hites William Jay, his mark (....) (....) (....) Court held for Frederick County on Wednesday the 7th day of (....), 1748 William Jay in Open Court acknowledged this his Seale for land Indented to Thomas Rutherford grant and it was on his motion Admitted to Record. (Jest) CCC _____ This Indenture made the sixth day of September In the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and forty eight Between William Jay of the County of Fairfax in the Colony of Virginia of the One part and Thomas Rutherford of the County of Frederick and colony aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth That for 7 in Consideration of the sum of fifty Pounds Current Money of Virginia to the said William Jay in hand paid by the said Thomas Rutherford at or before the sealing and delivery of these presents the Receipt whereof he doth hereby acknowledge and thereof doth Release acuies and Discharge the said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs Executors and Administrators by these presents He the said William Jay. Hath granted Bargained Sold aliend? Released and; Confirmed and; by these presents Doth grant Bargain Sell Alien Release and confirm unto the said Thomas Rutherford in his Actual Possession now being by Virtue of a Bargain and Sale to him thereof made by the said William Jay for One whole year by Indenture bearing Date the Day next before the Day of the Date of these presents and by force of the Statue for Transferring (...) into Possession. And his Heirs and assigns forever One Certain Tract of land lying and being in the County of Frederick , and Branch of Shannandore River called Eavets Run Containing One Hundred acres more or less Beginning at a white Oak in Daniel Beernets Line below the falls of Eavts Run and Running thence al and of the same South by West . One Hundred and; Thirty Ples by a Red Oak thence East by South One Hundred and Twenty four Poles Between a Red and White Oak thence North by East One Hundred and thirty Poles Crossing Eavets Run to a Cornerstone and thence Wet by North One Hundred and Twenty four Poles to the Beginning and all Houses Buildings Orchards ways Waters Water courses Profits Comadities Hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said premises hereby granted or any part thereof belonging or in any wise appurtaining and the Reversion and Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Issues and profits thereof And also all the Estate Right Title Interest, Property Claim and Demand Whatever of him the said William Jay of in and to the said Premises: And all Deeds (licences?) and; Writing to(.....ing) or in any wise concerning the same, To Have and to hold the said One Hundred Acres of land and all and Singular other the premises hereby Granted and Released and every part and parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtenances unto the said Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns forever to the only proper use and behoof of him the said Thomas Rutherford and of his Heirs and; assigns forever and the said William Jay for himself his Heirs Execturos Administrators doth Covenant Promise Grant () and with the ssaid Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns by these presents that the said William Jay now at the time of Selaing and; Delivering of these presents is siesed of a good pure perfect indefeazible Estate of Inheritance in fee simple of and in the premises hereby granted released : and that he hath good Power and; Lawful and absolute authority to Grant Convey the same to the said Thomas Rutherford in manner and form aforesaid And that the said Premises now are and so forwever hereaafter shall remain and befree and clear of and from all former and other Gifts Grants Bargains Sales Dower rigth and; Title of Dower Judgments Executions Titles Troubles charges and Incumbrances Whatsoever made done Comitted or Suffered by the said William Jay or any other Person or Persons whatsoever the quit rents hereafter to grow due and payable to our Sovereign Lord the King his Heirs and (S....s) for in respect of the said (P.....s) only Excepted and forepaiyed. and So (.....) that the said William Jay and his Heirs all and Singular the Premises Thomas Rutherford his Heirs and assigns against him the said William Jay and his Heirs and all and every other Person and Persons Whatsoever shall and will warrant and forever defend by these Presents In Witness whereof the said William Jay hath hereunto fed his hand and seal the Day and Year first above written. Sealed and Delivered in the presence of Sam. Earle, Tho. Chester, Jn (Hile???) William Jay, his mark At a court contained and; held for Frederick County on Wednesday, the 7th day of September 1748 William Jay in Open Court acknowledged this his Release for Land Indented to Thomas Rutherford grant and it was on his motion Admitted to Record (Jest) Wood CCC ___________

One source says that our William was renting 100 acres of land in an unknown location in 1746. This reference probably came from "Abstracts of Wills, Inventories, and Administration Accounts of Frederick Co. Virginia". It lists William Jay under rentals with 100 acres. By 1751, William and his family lived in North Carolina. On Aug. 2, 1755, Cane Creek Meeting House records indicate that William was accepted into membership "by request" (C-862) and that the family moved to Casewell Co., North Carolina. He had apparently converted to the Quaker faith at this point.

On May 6, 1756, William was granted 395 or 495 acres by an Earl of Granville in Orange Co., NC on the northeast side of North Fork of Flat River. He deeded 50 acres to his son-in-law, John Satterfield, and John's brother James, that same day. He apparently deeded land adjoining this property to his son, Joseph Jay on Oct. 3, 1767. It is suspected that this was a wedding gift as Joseph wasn't in his father's will. In fact, here are deeds and further detail that give us information about he and his children.1756, June 8 - William Jay to John Satterfield, 50 acres for five pounds lying on the N E side of the N. Fork of the Flatt River - part of a tract of land formerly granted to Wm. Jay by Deed from Lord Carteret, Earl of Granville; Orange Co. NC Deed Book 1, p. 229 (Land transfer to his son-in-law, John Satterfield, husband of daughter Sarah Jay.)1761, May 12 - William Jay to William Jay, Jr., 115 acres; "Register of Orange County, North Carolina Deeds, 1752-1768, and 1793", transcribed by Eve B. Weeks1765, May 14 - William Jay to James Jay, 120 acres; "Register of Orange County, North Carolina Deeds, 1752-1768, and 1793", transcribed by Eve B. Weeks (He gave this land to his son James at about the time of his marriage.)1767, October 3 - William Jay to Joseph Jay, 239 acres for ten pounds lying on both sides of N. Fork of Flatt River, joining Fords land on the west and James Jays on the East, beginning at a white oak on Hosea Tapleys -- white Oak on sd William Jay Senr - part of tract of land formerly granted to Edward Moore from Lord Earl of Granville, dated the sixth day of February 1761; Orange Co. NC Deed Book 3, p. 445 (He gave this land to his son Joseph at about the time of his marriage also.)These deed records basically verify that these are William's oldest sons as traditionally held by Eli Jay in his writings on the family given to him by his father when he was a young man.

In 1771, William signed the petition to have Caswell Co. set off from Orange County, North Carolina. On Feb. 1, 1772, William and children were granted a certificate to move to South Carolina. His three oldest sons were married by then, William, Joseph and James. William died within the year. Mary remarried shortly thereafter because on Oct. 5, 1772, Mary Vestal Jay wrote an apology for having married out of unity and requested a letter of acceptance for the Bush River MM, SC records. Mary and William's five youngest children joined the Quaker church shortly after their move to Bush River. (C-1017)

The birth of several of their children from John through David are recorded in the Bush River MM records for Newberry, South Carolina. Several of their children appear to have married in Newberry Co., South Carolina. William and Mary Jay are listed as residents of Berkley Co., Dist. 96, South Carolina. (C-457, p.104)

William died shortly after moving to South Carolina from an accident. It occurred shortly before the marriage of his son John to Elizabeth Pugh. He is listed as deceased when his daughter Mary married Charles Patty on Mar. 11, 1773. His will was written on Nov. 23, 1772 and proven on Aug. 31, 1773. In it, he made bequeaths to his wife Mary and children John, David (underage), Mary, Rachel and Lydia. Son John was named Executor. His oldest children were not mentioned as he had already transferred them land. (C-169, 803, 958)

William's descendants DNA is a match to descendants of the following Joseph Jay. This means they have a common ancestor in somewhat close range to each other. We simply don't know who it is. As a Revolutionary War soldier, we know that Joseph was born July 14, 1753 in Burlington Co. NJ. After the war, he lived in Hunterdon Co. NJ and died November 30, 1835 in Falls Township, Bucks Co. PA. His wife was Eleanor Nelson. In the Jay Family Index #4763, his father is listed as Joseph Jay. We do not know the source of this information but there is an adult Joseph Jay living in Burlington County, New Jersey as early as 1739 when he voted and is listed in election returns.

This Joseph or his possible son Joseph likely account for an adult Joseph living in Nottingham Twp., Burlington Co., New Jersey in the 1758-1774 tax records for that territory. Family notes in this index from Joseph's (b. 1753) grandson, Douglass Hiles Jay, son of Nelson, says that it was passed down to him that Joseph's family came from England where they had had an estate. Here is the account of it available at : http://www.entechdesign.com/jaydna/jaydnastatus5.htm. "There are tantalizing notes found in the Jay Family Index concerning Joseph Jay (born 1753) is as follows: Douglas Hiles Jay, son of Nelson Jay [a son of Joseph born 1753] said Joseph Jay (Note - possibly the father of Joseph Jay [and Nelson's grandfather]) was born in England, and [Douglas] remembered a long conversation between Nelson Jay and his brother Smith Jay about an estate belonging to their father Joseph Jay in England, about papers that were lost, and of other papers in the effects of Joseph Jay, then deceased. This was also the remembrance of Mary W. (Jay) Butler, [wife of John W. Butler and daughter of Smith Jay]. The conclusions were that money was too scarce in the family to risk any chances of going to England to hunt it up. Joseph Jay had lent the little he had for the purpose of carrying on the war, and was so great a patriot that he would accept no return, and fearing that his children might do so, destroyed the papers showing the fact, and died a poor man....We are currently trying to 'run-down' the source and the context of this family tradition which did not appear in the original printing of the JFI."

William married Mary Elizabeth VESTAL, * before 1743 in Virginia, Colonial America. Mary (daughter of William VESTAL, Jr. and Elizabeth MERCER) was born in 1723 in , Chester, PA; died in 1818 in New Burlington, Fulton, OH, USA; was buried in 1818 in Burlington, Warren, OH, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Mary Vestal and William Jay married about 1743 in Frederick Co., VA. She likely lost her membership in the Quaker church for marrying out of unity. On 10/5/1772, Mary Vestal Jay sent an acknowledgement of marriage out of meeting to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting. This was a few months before her husband's death. (Some researchers mistakenly claim this is because she married again.) (C-1338) It was accepted and Jesse Pugh was appointed to assist the women in preparing a certificate for her to remove to Bush River. (C-804)

In Virginia, none of the Jays appear to have been Quakers, but shortly before and around the time she was reaccepted, all of her children appear to have become Quakers. She had two children married in the Quaker Meeting in the 3rd month of 1772.

Vickie Leimback and Mike Southerland state that Mary's birth date was about 1723. Mike gives her death date as 1773 in New Burlington, Miami, OH and her full name as Mary Elizabeth Vestal. However, this death date cannot be correct, as Mary Vestal Jay and her daughter Rachel Jay Arnold received a certificate to move to Ohio in 1804. They moved in 1805 probably to Miami Co., Ohio. She died near New Burlington, Ohio between 1818-1820 and is buried in Caesars Creek Quaker Burying Ground.

Notes:

The Jay Family Association has nicknamed him "Cattlemark" John. Here are the records that likely apply to him on the Jay Family site.

1708, May John Jay of Salem Co. NJ attests two different deeds for Jacob Spicer
1708, June Cattlemark of John Jay recorded in Salem Co. NJ
1711, Apr John Jay involved in the estate of Charles Oakford and wife Margaret
1715, Jan John Jay [Jey] received payments from the estate of William Hall
1737, Jan John Jay's note listed in the inventory of Richard Hudson

It is assumed that this John is the father of William and a likely Joseph as well as other Jay's that have YDNA matches originating from Salem, Burlington and Cumberland, NJ.

These are his likely descendants besides the ones noted in this family tree:

Generation 1
John Jay of Alloways Creek, Salem Co. NJ (Cattlemark John)

Generation 2
John Jay (perhaps but not necessarily the same individual as directly below)
Jonathan Jay (perhaps but not necessarily the individual noted directly above)

Generation 3
John Jay
Reuben Jay
Jacob Jay

Generation 4
John Jay (Jr. of John, migrated to Ohio ca1817)
Wilson Jay (War of 1812 participant, died Ft. Washington NY 1816)
James Jay (reference in name only in documents, final demise unknown)
David Jay (War of 1812 veteran, died in PA between 1815-1820)
+Martin W. Jay (War of 1812 pensioner, migrated to Ohio ca1817)
Jonathan Jay (reference in name only in documents, final demise unknown)
Joseph Jay (reference in name only in newspaper, final demise unknown)

Generation 5
Reuben English Jay (son of David above) b18085
Martin W. Jay Jr. (son of Martin W. Jay above) b18176
*Rev. Lorenzo Dow Jay (son of John Jay Jr. above) b18147

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William Vestall, Jr., was raised in Chester Co., Pennsylvania. His family were originally friends from the Newark Monthly Meeting in Pennsylvania. (C-836) According to Gilbert Cope in writing the will for Joseph Woodward of Goshen, he mentioned that William was married more than once. However, only one marriage has been found for him to date, that of Elizabeth Mercer. They originally settled on Brandywine Creek, four miles from West Chester. William was listed as living in Bradford Twp., Chester Co., PA in tax lists from 1715-1726. (C-2251g) His wife, Elizabeth Mercer, was a Quaker. William had apparently become a Quaker by the 2nd Month 5th day, 1729, when he requested a certificate of removal to North Carolina from the Center Meeting House.

William moved to Baltimore Co., MD instead after conveying his farm of 174 acres on May 10, 1729 in Bradford Twp., Chester Co., Pennsylvania. The deed for this land did not have it's title confirmed until Aug. 10,1735. William is listed as a carpenter in this record. (C-959) William then purchased 150 acres of land from Patrick Ruark in 1729 which was part of the Hazard track on Swam Creek, Baltimore Co., MD. He sold this land to Joseph Hall on Dec. 27, 1736. He was listed as living in Orange Co., Virginia in the deed records of 1736. He had purchased 275 acres in Orange Co., VA on Oct. 3, 1734. This territory later became Frederick County. (C-826)

Elizabeth Vestal requested a certificate of transfer from the Concord Quarterly meeting to the Hopewell monthly meeting in Frederick Co., Virginia (now Jefferson Co., WV) on Sept 7, 1737. Most of the Quaker records for that meeting were destroyed by fire for the first 23 year period in 1759. "J.E. Norris in his HISTORY OF THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, p.58 states, "William and John Vestal made a settlement at a very early date at Vestal's Gap on the Shenandoah River in Frederick Co., Va. (about 6 miles east of Charles Town). While they were building a stone house they were attacked by Indians and driven across the river to the mountains. When they returned one of them brought a yellowish stone from across the river, which marked the point where they left off building in consequence of the attack. This house still stands but the inscription on one end has been partly obliterated, which has given rise to a dispute as to the name being Vest, Vesta, or Vestal. The author (Norris) has found in the 'List of Surveys made by George Washington for Lord Fairfax' the name three times occurring Vestall."

Minnie Speer Boone in OUR FAMILY HERITAGE, p. 63-64, states "On May 10, 1742 a contract was entered into between Thomas Mayberry, William Vestal, John Traden, Richardson Stevenson, and Daniel Burnett for the construction of an iron bloomery for the making of bar iron on the plantation of William Vestal. This contract was recorded in 1744." Quoting Earl H. Davis, 1940, she adds, "This iron bloomery is said to have been the first one erected east of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia (one mile east of what is now Mechanicsville, West Virginia). It was located 7 miles south of Harper's Ferry. It was in operation until after the Civil War. Upon the death of William Vestal in 1745 this land and the Vestal interest in the Bloomery were apparently taken over by his son John. When the land passed out of the Vestal family is not known. One source says that it was after the French and Indian Wars when the family moved to North Carolina. (C-158) The property is now owned by Mr. Ward Funkhouser of Hagerstown, Md. The remains of the old furnace are still standing. The top of each fire place has bars of iron, plates of rusty iron are still firmly holding the stone structure-above one of the fireplaces a cedar tree of good size is growing. The district around the Bloomery is known as "The Bloomery Neighborhood." (C-176)

William Vestal did not write a will. His death probably occurred early in 1745. An inventory of his estate was filed in 1746. No property was listed, but instead tools, clothing, livestock and household furnishings. (C-811) His wife, Elizabeth, was named administratrix. She had a bond of 1000 pounds Virginia Currency. No children were listed. (C-845a, 869)

William married Elizabeth MERCER on 9 Sep 1716 in Westtown, Chester, PA, USA. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas MERSER and Mary GREENAWAY) was born on 14 Jun 1692 in Banbury, Oxfordshire, England; died after 1751 in Cane Creek, Orange, NC, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Elizabeth's birthdate is different in the American Quaker records than in the English christening records. I'm going with the English version as they occurred at the time of the event. They two dates were 2 months apart when Quaker records wouldn't have the date corrected for the current calendar. Elizabeth who was a Quaker, married Joseph Woodward in 1712. She became of member of at the Chester MM where her husband belonged. He died in 1715 and she returned to her home monthly meeting at Concord with at least one child. She apparently married out of unity a year later to William Vestall, a Baptist. She was to be disowned for that marriage by the following year in the same meeting where satisfaction was accepted by the Quaker records. This occurred in the women's minutes of the 5th mo., 29th day 1717. Prior to 1729, her second husband also became a Quaker. On 9/7/1737 she was given a certificate of recommendation for the Hopewell MM where she had lived for several years. On Aug. 11, 1750, Elizabeth granted Steven Emory Power of Attorney. Elizabeth Vestal and her sons, William and Thomas then moved to Orange Co., NC (now WV) in 1751 after the death of her husband where they helped establish the Cane Creek M.M.. (C-803) They were received the 10th month, 7th day, 1751 from Hopewell, Virginia at Cane Creek, North Carolina. (C-804)